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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 17:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting post.  I do think that Lessig&#039;s turn to a &quot;Common Cause&quot; model of political reform explains a lot here too.  It&#039;s progressivism against populism all over again.  Whereas populism and socialism take seriously the prevalence of power, struggle, and conflict in politics, progressives yearn for science and neutral principles to put policymaking on a higher plane.  

I also think that Lessig is a bit too comfortable with Web 2.0 hierarchies: 

http://madisonian.net/2009/01/18/the-picture-and-the-paint/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting post.  I do think that Lessig&#8217;s turn to a &#8220;Common Cause&#8221; model of political reform explains a lot here too.  It&#8217;s progressivism against populism all over again.  Whereas populism and socialism take seriously the prevalence of power, struggle, and conflict in politics, progressives yearn for science and neutral principles to put policymaking on a higher plane.  </p>
<p>I also think that Lessig is a bit too comfortable with Web 2.0 hierarchies: </p>
<p><a href="http://madisonian.net/2009/01/18/the-picture-and-the-paint/" rel="nofollow">http://madisonian.net/2009/01/18/the-picture-and-the-paint/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Andres</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andres</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 17:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just my luck, I slag off American academics and one of my favourite ones shows up :)

I think you&#039;re right, Lessig does have a strong constitutional background, so I can see where he&#039;s coming from. Unfortunately, he does seem to have a very American-centric view of the law, which has always baffled me a bit, as he&#039;s well travelled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just my luck, I slag off American academics and one of my favourite ones shows up <img src='http://www.technollama.co.uk/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I think you&#8217;re right, Lessig does have a strong constitutional background, so I can see where he&#8217;s coming from. Unfortunately, he does seem to have a very American-centric view of the law, which has always baffled me a bit, as he&#8217;s well travelled.</p>
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		<title>By: greglas</title>
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		<dc:creator>greglas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Andres --

While I haven&#039;t taken this whole blog tempest du jour quite as seriously as you (I&#039;ve skimmed Kelly, Lessig, and the responses and haven&#039;t read Helprin at all), my impression, like yours, is that Lessig seems a little too eager to distance Creative Commons from socialism.  

My only reason for commenting is that I want to say this is primarily about Lessig, not about an American stance toward socialism.  Remember that Lessig started as a constitutionalist and that he clerked for two conservative judges, Posner and Scalia, who must have influenced him in some ways.  His most well-known case, Eldred, was about trying to limit copyright by going back to the original intent of the framers.  His personal history explains a lot about his current thinking.

Though it is true that &quot;many other American academics&quot; aren&#039;t really competent on international and comparative law, contrary to the impression one might get, there are some folks in the legal academy over here with more cosmopolitan and internationalist sympathies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Andres &#8211;</p>
<p>While I haven&#8217;t taken this whole blog tempest du jour quite as seriously as you (I&#8217;ve skimmed Kelly, Lessig, and the responses and haven&#8217;t read Helprin at all), my impression, like yours, is that Lessig seems a little too eager to distance Creative Commons from socialism.  </p>
<p>My only reason for commenting is that I want to say this is primarily about Lessig, not about an American stance toward socialism.  Remember that Lessig started as a constitutionalist and that he clerked for two conservative judges, Posner and Scalia, who must have influenced him in some ways.  His most well-known case, Eldred, was about trying to limit copyright by going back to the original intent of the framers.  His personal history explains a lot about his current thinking.</p>
<p>Though it is true that &#8220;many other American academics&#8221; aren&#8217;t really competent on international and comparative law, contrary to the impression one might get, there are some folks in the legal academy over here with more cosmopolitan and internationalist sympathies.</p>
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